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		<title>By: Susan Gaddis</title>
		<link>http://www.susangaddis.net/blog/2010/03/im-not-in-the-mood-to-go-to-church/comment-page-1/#comment-943</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Gaddis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 04:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t realize that, Cathy. Way cool. What an interesting thought starter for this week. To have conversion and conversation rooted in progressive change and a faith journey gives a richer meaning to faith discussions. Thanks for sharing that bit of insight with us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realize that, Cathy. Way cool. What an interesting thought starter for this week. To have conversion and conversation rooted in progressive change and a faith journey gives a richer meaning to faith discussions. Thanks for sharing that bit of insight with us.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 16:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your openess in discussing this.  Kind of a side note.
I was just reading in a book this morning that the original meaning of the words conversion and/or conversation means an on going change and walking out of faith.  I know we both knew that about conversion but I found it very interesting that conversation had the same root.  I realize that the words are similar but never put together this aspect of their origin.  Kind of cool.
Have a great 4th weekend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your openess in discussing this.  Kind of a side note.<br />
I was just reading in a book this morning that the original meaning of the words conversion and/or conversation means an on going change and walking out of faith.  I know we both knew that about conversion but I found it very interesting that conversation had the same root.  I realize that the words are similar but never put together this aspect of their origin.  Kind of cool.<br />
Have a great 4th weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Gaddis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Gaddis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 20:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe these are questions being asked by people everywhere. Many are leaving the church and not attending anywhere for many different reasons. (And no, I am not taking your comments as a reflection on Father&#039;s House.) Personally, I can understand some of that, but I&#039;m not sure I would make that choice, simply because of what I believe about being in community--even if the community doesn&#039;t look or feel &quot;right&quot; to me at times. Kinda like marriage--it has it dry spells and &quot;roommate&quot; feel to it at times, but we don&#039;t want to have those feelings for months on end. 

Finding a community that helps a person connect with God is a very personal search and it often takes more time than we would like. Perhaps this is why the house church movement is gaining ground here in the states. 

I still go back to the whole concept of church being bigger than me and, therefore, I would just attend because understanding often comes further down the path. Does that mean that there are periods where a person goes off by themselves like the desert father&#039;s and mothers (and the Celtic Christians) did at times? I believe so. Sometimes solitude is a part of growth, but I don&#039;t think that means rejecting church (which is not what I hear you saying.) There is a difference between rejecting church and not attending church in this idea of solitude as the ancients practiced it. What that does for this conversation, I&#039;m not sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe these are questions being asked by people everywhere. Many are leaving the church and not attending anywhere for many different reasons. (And no, I am not taking your comments as a reflection on Father&#8217;s House.) Personally, I can understand some of that, but I&#8217;m not sure I would make that choice, simply because of what I believe about being in community&#8211;even if the community doesn&#8217;t look or feel &#8220;right&#8221; to me at times. Kinda like marriage&#8211;it has it dry spells and &#8220;roommate&#8221; feel to it at times, but we don&#8217;t want to have those feelings for months on end. </p>
<p>Finding a community that helps a person connect with God is a very personal search and it often takes more time than we would like. Perhaps this is why the house church movement is gaining ground here in the states. </p>
<p>I still go back to the whole concept of church being bigger than me and, therefore, I would just attend because understanding often comes further down the path. Does that mean that there are periods where a person goes off by themselves like the desert father&#8217;s and mothers (and the Celtic Christians) did at times? I believe so. Sometimes solitude is a part of growth, but I don&#8217;t think that means rejecting church (which is not what I hear you saying.) There is a difference between rejecting church and not attending church in this idea of solitude as the ancients practiced it. What that does for this conversation, I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 23:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not at all, Susan.  When questions are asked, they need to be discussed.  I long for something more &quot;fulfilling&quot; than I am finding and question if I need to slap my self up side the head and get over it.  I hate even using the work &quot;fulfilling&quot; but there is a longing inside that I so want satisfied.  And I do understand and agree that much of what we may want needs to be found in our own journey with God but there has to also be the finding and participating in the community and body that helps me connect with the Presence.
I haven&#039;t been to The Father&#039;s House for many, many years so you know I am not commenting on anything you and Tom are doing.  I just wonder if these questions need to be explored by churches everywhere.  And, now, I apologize if I am being a real ......whatever word fits.  Thanks for being open to these types of conversations. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not at all, Susan.  When questions are asked, they need to be discussed.  I long for something more &#8220;fulfilling&#8221; than I am finding and question if I need to slap my self up side the head and get over it.  I hate even using the work &#8220;fulfilling&#8221; but there is a longing inside that I so want satisfied.  And I do understand and agree that much of what we may want needs to be found in our own journey with God but there has to also be the finding and participating in the community and body that helps me connect with the Presence.<br />
I haven&#8217;t been to The Father&#8217;s House for many, many years so you know I am not commenting on anything you and Tom are doing.  I just wonder if these questions need to be explored by churches everywhere.  And, now, I apologize if I am being a real &#8230;&#8230;whatever word fits.  Thanks for being open to these types of conversations. <img src='http://www.susangaddis.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Susan Gaddis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Gaddis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Humm, just read that last comment/book/tons of words over, and I hope I didn&#039;t come across ungracious. If so, I apologize, Cathy. I do feel that being a part of a community of believers is important, although it may not always look like the church I now pastor. I think Robert Benson&#039;s book, &quot;In Constant Prayer,&quot; gave me a bigger understanding of the importance of community in prayer and in placement--getting my body to a place where I can participate in community, even if all that means is taking communion with others and participating in praying the ancient Words from a prayer book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humm, just read that last comment/book/tons of words over, and I hope I didn&#8217;t come across ungracious. If so, I apologize, Cathy. I do feel that being a part of a community of believers is important, although it may not always look like the church I now pastor. I think Robert Benson&#8217;s book, &#8220;In Constant Prayer,&#8221; gave me a bigger understanding of the importance of community in prayer and in placement&#8211;getting my body to a place where I can participate in community, even if all that means is taking communion with others and participating in praying the ancient Words from a prayer book.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Gaddis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Gaddis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good questons, Cathy, and I don&#039;t have much to answer with, except a few thoughts (Ok, I know--Susan always has an opinion or a thought....)

Jesus attended temple and established &quot;church&quot; as a gathering together of his people. He respected the old traditions and established new ones. When we gather together as believers, we are doing church. (I know you know this--nothing new here.) 

But, why would Jesus have established apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, etc., if He didn&#039;t expect them to operate within and outside of the &quot;gathering.&quot; Isn&#039;t the church suppose to be the womb of His bride? When it doesn&#039;t operate that way, do we stop going, or do we add ourself to the mix of people and do our little bit to nurture His bride by loving her as He does?

If we aren&#039;t getting something out of church, perhaps we need to fill our needs in our own journey with the Lord and still gather as the church to fulfull His command of coming together and loving one another (even if we, personally, don&#039;t receive much.) The journey is about &quot;me,&quot; the church is about &quot;others.&quot; Both are important. 

And no, it is not right to expect church to fulfill longings in our souls and spirits--that comes only from the Bridegroom, not the bride. 

If folks leave a particular fellowship feeling empty and disappointed, can they find a church to go and just &quot;be&quot;--receive communion in community and hear the ancient Words of Life read or sung--thereby participating as the bride? Can they attend a different type of fellowship than they have attended in the past? Is it right to totally bail out on church when God has called us to have people in authority over us and to submit to them (pastors, teachers, etc.)? Hard questions, but they need to be asked. 

For me, the bottom line is: Who&#039;s life is it anyway--mine or His. If He says to gather together in His name, then that I will do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good questons, Cathy, and I don&#8217;t have much to answer with, except a few thoughts (Ok, I know&#8211;Susan always has an opinion or a thought&#8230;.)</p>
<p>Jesus attended temple and established &#8220;church&#8221; as a gathering together of his people. He respected the old traditions and established new ones. When we gather together as believers, we are doing church. (I know you know this&#8211;nothing new here.) </p>
<p>But, why would Jesus have established apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, etc., if He didn&#8217;t expect them to operate within and outside of the &#8220;gathering.&#8221; Isn&#8217;t the church suppose to be the womb of His bride? When it doesn&#8217;t operate that way, do we stop going, or do we add ourself to the mix of people and do our little bit to nurture His bride by loving her as He does?</p>
<p>If we aren&#8217;t getting something out of church, perhaps we need to fill our needs in our own journey with the Lord and still gather as the church to fulfull His command of coming together and loving one another (even if we, personally, don&#8217;t receive much.) The journey is about &#8220;me,&#8221; the church is about &#8220;others.&#8221; Both are important. </p>
<p>And no, it is not right to expect church to fulfill longings in our souls and spirits&#8211;that comes only from the Bridegroom, not the bride. </p>
<p>If folks leave a particular fellowship feeling empty and disappointed, can they find a church to go and just &#8220;be&#8221;&#8211;receive communion in community and hear the ancient Words of Life read or sung&#8211;thereby participating as the bride? Can they attend a different type of fellowship than they have attended in the past? Is it right to totally bail out on church when God has called us to have people in authority over us and to submit to them (pastors, teachers, etc.)? Hard questions, but they need to be asked. </p>
<p>For me, the bottom line is: Who&#8217;s life is it anyway&#8211;mine or His. If He says to gather together in His name, then that I will do.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 15:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question (I&#039;m good at questions!)
Is it right to expect church - the gathering together to worship - to fulfill longings in our souls and spirits?
Should we go to church just because it is the &quot;right&quot; thing to do?
What do others do who attend a particular fellowship and leave feeling empty and disappointed?
Susan, you alone on this site know where we are coming from.  I always thought you should be in church.  But what do I and others do about the ache inside that is not met?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question (I&#8217;m good at questions!)<br />
Is it right to expect church &#8211; the gathering together to worship &#8211; to fulfill longings in our souls and spirits?<br />
Should we go to church just because it is the &#8220;right&#8221; thing to do?<br />
What do others do who attend a particular fellowship and leave feeling empty and disappointed?<br />
Susan, you alone on this site know where we are coming from.  I always thought you should be in church.  But what do I and others do about the ache inside that is not met?</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Gaddis</title>
		<link>http://www.susangaddis.net/blog/2010/03/im-not-in-the-mood-to-go-to-church/comment-page-1/#comment-893</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Gaddis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 03:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comment, Carl. Love it! I can relate and so can my husband who has pastored the same church for 35 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comment, Carl. Love it! I can relate and so can my husband who has pastored the same church for 35 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 12:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to say I always enjoy worship.  I don&#039;t.  Sometimes it is dry and boring, I&#039;m in a rotten mood or my mind is in one of those far off places.  I&#039;m in church, but not part of church, even the usual coffee time after.

Sometimes the people in church have been disagreeable over some small issue they think is big stuff, like whether the pastor should have access to the giving records of the parish.  Can s/he effectively lead the church without knowing the stewardship practices of the flock?  Does it matter if the pastor has taken three weeks of their four week vacation all at once, staying home one of those weeks?  Is it really a big deal if something is double-booked on the church calendar?

I agree, worship is what we give to God as part of community, not something we receive when it &quot;feels good&quot;.  The balance and order of life is something that brings order out of chaos, even the ordinary chaos of our ordinary lives. Being centered once a week on God is not being controlled by God, nor is it less &quot;real&quot; if we don&#039;t &quot;feel right&quot;.  Having a life that is structured around a pattern of a weekly sabbath sometimes makes the rest tolerable and survivable.  

The weekly ebb and flow that centers around a regular Sabbath worship is the gift we receive from God, not &quot;good or holy feelings&quot;.  

Sometimes I&#039;d like to stay home.  But I can&#039;t.  I&#039;m the pastor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to say I always enjoy worship.  I don&#8217;t.  Sometimes it is dry and boring, I&#8217;m in a rotten mood or my mind is in one of those far off places.  I&#8217;m in church, but not part of church, even the usual coffee time after.</p>
<p>Sometimes the people in church have been disagreeable over some small issue they think is big stuff, like whether the pastor should have access to the giving records of the parish.  Can s/he effectively lead the church without knowing the stewardship practices of the flock?  Does it matter if the pastor has taken three weeks of their four week vacation all at once, staying home one of those weeks?  Is it really a big deal if something is double-booked on the church calendar?</p>
<p>I agree, worship is what we give to God as part of community, not something we receive when it &#8220;feels good&#8221;.  The balance and order of life is something that brings order out of chaos, even the ordinary chaos of our ordinary lives. Being centered once a week on God is not being controlled by God, nor is it less &#8220;real&#8221; if we don&#8217;t &#8220;feel right&#8221;.  Having a life that is structured around a pattern of a weekly sabbath sometimes makes the rest tolerable and survivable.  </p>
<p>The weekly ebb and flow that centers around a regular Sabbath worship is the gift we receive from God, not &#8220;good or holy feelings&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Sometimes I&#8217;d like to stay home.  But I can&#8217;t.  I&#8217;m the pastor.</p>
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		<title>By: moira</title>
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		<dc:creator>moira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 08:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.....I go to church because I LOVE singing in the choir, and I LOVE letting my light shine....

Somebody is bound to need a HUG or a SMILE or an EAR to &#039;bend&#039;....and I have found that since Jim died, I have a lot of love to give away.  
I can change the &#039;atmosphere&#039; just by &#039;being there&#039;....

And all the while bringing JOY to God&#039;s heart.....what a deal!!!.

That&#039;s why I LOVE going to church.....even if I&#039;m &#039;not in the mood&#039;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;..I go to church because I LOVE singing in the choir, and I LOVE letting my light shine&#8230;.</p>
<p>Somebody is bound to need a HUG or a SMILE or an EAR to &#8216;bend&#8217;&#8230;.and I have found that since Jim died, I have a lot of love to give away.<br />
I can change the &#8216;atmosphere&#8217; just by &#8216;being there&#8217;&#8230;.</p>
<p>And all the while bringing JOY to God&#8217;s heart&#8230;..what a deal!!!.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I LOVE going to church&#8230;..even if I&#8217;m &#8216;not in the mood&#8217;&#8230;</p>
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